-5 Energy Weapons/ Offhands. Why? - Guild Wars Forums

Cherno · Feb 13, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I have seen more and more people asking to buy -5 energy weapons and/or offhands. What's the point? Is there a new build out there that needs this?

urgath · Feb 13, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

-5 energy weapons and offhands are for PvP for hiding energy. It helps to get rid of energy drain.

FrogDevourer · Feb 13, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

You can use them in a weapon switch to have 0 energy or less. It's good if not mandatory in PvP if you want to protect yourself against energy drain skills and if you want to get rid of Malaise-like hexes.

Skuld · Feb 13, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

reeeeeeebirth

Cherno · Feb 13, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Thanks for the responses.

Makkert · Feb 13, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Also great to get rid of Malaise / Wither.
That, and my monk looks awesome with a Wingblade

iggk · Feb 13, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

allso usefull with gaile warriors to reset exhuastion

Former Ruling · Feb 13, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Now that E-Denial is becoming little more popular in some pressure style builds - Alot of Monks go into the fight with less energy than they should have (A Sword and Shield), and only swith to their Offhands/Wands when they need energy. Another way thats picking up force is start with the wand/offhand and have the Sword combo actually reduce your energy further (like -5 energys) (This is supposed to give better Maliase/Wither coverage while the other stops direct E-denial faster).

Either does about the same thing.

Yichi · Feb 13, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Not only for the minus to energy against e-drain builds, but also as far as weapons go, the dmg always mod is unconditional, whereas the dmg > 50% health, or in stance is situational.

Rajamic · Feb 14, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by iggk

allso usefull with gaile warriors to reset exhuastion

Gaile has her own army of warriors??? :-P

Epinephrine · Feb 14, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Also helps for dying; swap to negative energy before dying (if you know you will), when brought back with a rez sig you have 25% of your energy pool.

So, using a base 37 energy, +10 for a staff is 47; you come back with (ignoring DP for the example):

~10/47 with staff equipped (4 pips)
~7/30 with negative energy set (4 pips)
~16/64 with a wand/+27 focus (3 pips)
~~20/79 with +15/+27 (2 pips)

But on switching to your staff (base setup) you would have:
From negative set, 24/47
From wand/+27 focus, -1/47
From +15/+27, -12/47

So you can gain ~17 energy on your base staff setup on rezzing by swapping to your low energy before dying, then back to your staff. Rather helpful to a newly rezzed player, especially a monk.

jimmy_logic · Feb 14, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Weapon switch is something you need to really learn in Guild Wars if your a monk or a caster for that matter... but I use an empty slot / -5 energy / proper staff / +15 -1nrg +15 -1nrg (For EMERGENCY energy I stress EMERGENCY).

Cherno · Feb 14, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by iggk

allso usefull with gaile warriors to reset exhuastion

Can you clarify? I guess I have never let my exhaustion take me all the way down to the bottom of my energy line. What happens then, or rather, what do you mean by "reset" it?

Snowduck · Feb 14, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Cherno

Can you clarify? I guess I have never let my exhaustion take me all the way down to the bottom of my energy line. What happens then, or rather, what do you mean by "reset" it?

Exhaustion will never go negative, unlike energy. Swap to a -energy set, cast gale (let's say that fully exhausted you, you're at 0 now). Swap up to your normal set, and exhaustion moves up as well. Now you have enough energy to Frenzy and unload on your target.

lyra_song · Feb 14, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

i bought a +12% -5 energy Bow and i think it the best kind of damage modifier, specially if a ranger has druid armor. Its almost unconditional.

Feb 13, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27	#1
Cherno Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Stars of Destiny Profession: E/	-5 Energy Weapons/ Offhands. Why? I have seen more and more people asking to buy -5 energy weapons and/or offhands. What's the point? Is there a new build out there that needs this?

Feb 13, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33	#3
FrogDevourer on a GW break until C4 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In your shadow Guild: Servants of Fortuna	You can use them in a weapon switch to have 0 energy or less. It's good if not mandatory in PvP if you want to protect yourself against energy drain skills and if you want to get rid of Malaise-like hexes. __________________

Feb 13, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32	#2
urgath Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006	-5 energy weapons and offhands are for PvP for hiding energy. It helps to get rid of energy drain.

Feb 13, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35	#4
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	reeeeeeebirth

Feb 13, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02	#5
Cherno Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Stars of Destiny Profession: E/	Thanks for the responses.

Feb 13, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06	#6
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	Also great to get rid of Malaise / Wither. That, and my monk looks awesome with a Wingblade

Feb 13, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08	#7
iggk Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Triple X (XXX)	allso usefull with gaile warriors to reset exhuastion

Feb 13, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50	#8
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Now that E-Denial is becoming little more popular in some pressure style builds - Alot of Monks go into the fight with less energy than they should have (A Sword and Shield), and only swith to their Offhands/Wands when they need energy. Another way thats picking up force is start with the wand/offhand and have the Sword combo actually reduce your energy further (like -5 energys) (This is supposed to give better Maliase/Wither coverage while the other stops direct E-denial faster). Either does about the same thing.

Feb 13, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05	#9
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Not only for the minus to energy against e-drain builds, but also as far as weapons go, the dmg always mod is unconditional, whereas the dmg > 50% health, or in stance is situational.

Feb 14, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#11
Epinephrine Master of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	Also helps for dying; swap to negative energy before dying (if you know you will), when brought back with a rez sig you have 25% of your energy pool. So, using a base 37 energy, +10 for a staff is 47; you come back with (ignoring DP for the example): ~10/47 with staff equipped (4 pips) ~7/30 with negative energy set (4 pips) ~16/64 with a wand/+27 focus (3 pips) ~~20/79 with +15/+27 (2 pips) But on switching to your staff (base setup) you would have: From negative set, 24/47 From wand/+27 focus, -1/47 From +15/+27, -12/47 So you can gain ~17 energy on your base staff setup on rezzing by swapping to your low energy before dying, then back to your staff. Rather helpful to a newly rezzed player, especially a monk.

Feb 14, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#12
jimmy_logic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/	Weapon switch is something you need to really learn in Guild Wars if your a monk or a caster for that matter... but I use an empty slot / -5 energy / proper staff / +15 -1nrg +15 -1nrg (For EMERGENCY energy I stress EMERGENCY).

Feb 14, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14	#15
lyra_song Hell's Protector Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/Mo	i bought a +12% -5 energy Bow and i think it the best kind of damage modifier, specially if a ranger has druid armor. Its almost unconditional.